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Unread postby Karamazov on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:17 pm

Unread postby Karamazov » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:17 pm

Last month's book club discussion felt a little short-lived. I think we need to draw the bookworms further out of the woodwork (or the binding?); perhaps an ongoing discussion on any books you want to talk about will help.

I came up with the idea because I wanted to mention a book I just read: Worlds by Joe Haldeman, which I thought would be trashy and found to be pretty decent. Mostly I want to remark on how similar the premise is to The Dispossessed: the protagonist lives on a socialist orbiting asteroid with a shaky independence from Earth, and is surprised by the blatant wealth, corruption, and sexual prudishness of the U.S. during her visit there. It was written in 1981, seven years after Le Guin's, and you can tell how the entire sci-fi genre (and U.S. society) was obsessed with the concerns of the '60's and '70's almost to suffocation.

Given the near-identical premise to the book we just read, it might not be too interesting to read this one, although there are two sequels if you really want to get into it. Despite its delivery (mostly epistolary and first-person narrative) Worlds is driven more by plot and the protagonists' evolving relationships than by dialogue and philosophy. (I found the narrator tiresomely, eternally horny but at least respectfully so.) Like the Dispossessed, I liked reading it once, but I'll probably never revisit it. Trigger warning for attempted rape and "offscreen" rape.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Narfuz on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:15 pm

Unread postby Narfuz » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:15 pm

Sounds good, Karamazov ^_^ I like the idea of having more discussion. We could, of course, meet in person (which is always nice)... But if the bookworms are more comfortable on cyberpaper, I'm all for it.

Speaking of similar books, I read The Giver right after finishing The Dispossessed and noticed a few parallels. Both are simple enough stories, and mostly act as thought experiments. I don't want to say too much, but yeah... If you enjoyed one, you're likely to enjoy the other...

I'm currently reading Cloud Atlas and am on the second-to-last chapter. I like books that are written with poetic structure (as was, at least in my opinion, The Dispossessed). If you've seen the film, you'll be glad to hear that it stayed pretty true to the book (I like both, with a slight preference for the book... it's the sort of story I prefer to take at my own pace). Of course, some philosophical parallels can be drawn between Le Guin's book and this one as well.

I like this quote (set in a time after the fall of human civilization), "Old Uns' Smart mastered sicks, miles, seeds an' made miracles ord'nary, but it din't master one thing, nay, a hunger in the hearts o' humans, yay, a hunger for more ... Human hunger birthed the Civ'lize, but human hunger killed it too." (272)

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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:37 am

Unread postby Flak » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:37 am

Since the only people who participated in last month's discussion are locals, it's true that we could just do meatspace meet-ups.

I also feel a bit culpable for not driving things as much as I could have due to travel/RPG superstar.

But yeah either way the more discussion the better!

(The Giver is awesome. THEY'RE MAKING A MOVIE)
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:25 am

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:25 am

The last book I read was the Second Ultramarines Omnibus. Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium rules, all your stupid existential books drool.

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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:35 am

Unread postby Flak » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:35 am

That's awfully kind, bro.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:44 am

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:44 am

PS Except for the Bible.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Narfuz on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:40 pm

Unread postby Narfuz » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:40 pm

Hehe, I dunno bout that last bit. I think I'd rather create my own universe than read a story on the looney who created this one...

Anyways, meat-space meat-ups for February then? I'd be down
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:02 pm

Unread postby Flak » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:02 pm

I'm not sure I'm up for meat-ups. :S
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Alar on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:24 am

Unread postby Alar » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:24 am

Some of us are too far away for meet-ups. Or too broke. Or both.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:27 am

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:27 am

Much as I enjoy meat space, I have the dubious honor of being even further away from you guys than Alar is. I'm possibly the furthest away of all.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:11 am

Unread postby Flak » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:11 am

And you guys didn't read or discuss the last book, and likely won't this book, right? I mean, you should! But if you don't... then the entire DotQ Book Club could meet in real life pretty easily...
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:13 am

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:13 am

Go for it.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:34 am

Unread postby Flak » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:34 am

Don't get me wrong. I'd rather you participate than not. And Calvino is awesome. I think you'd enjoy this month's book.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:38 am

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:38 am

February through April is going to be a bit busy for me, mostly reading-wise.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Saurus on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:03 pm

Unread postby Saurus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:03 pm

I might indulge this month's book, if solely because I need to do some more reading and it's only 165 pages. I ain't got no time for anything bulkier than that, and I can still get the satisfaction of intellectual superiority that only the completion of literary works provides me.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:09 pm

Unread postby Flak » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:09 pm

Last month's book was pretty short too, by the way.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Saurus on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:10 pm

Unread postby Saurus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:10 pm

I had even less time last month.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Flak on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:14 pm

Unread postby Flak » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:14 pm

Just saying in case you want to check it out down the line ;)
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Karamazov on Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:13 pm

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Saurus wrote:I might indulge this month's book, if solely because I need to do some more reading and it's only 165 pages. I ain't got no time for anything bulkier than that, and I can still get the satisfaction of intellectual superiority that only the completion of literary works provides me.


Saurus is on to me, I only started this thread to show how superior I am.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Alar on Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:37 am

Unread postby Alar » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:37 am

I will have to talk about my pure and untainted love of Honor Harrington and David Weber at some point, because seriously? Those books, man. All the feels, action, and awesome.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby KingCrazyGenius on Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:45 am

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Karamazov wrote:
Saurus wrote:I might indulge this month's book, if solely because I need to do some more reading and it's only 165 pages. I ain't got no time for anything bulkier than that, and I can still get the satisfaction of intellectual superiority that only the completion of literary works provides me.


Saurus is on to me, I only started this thread to show how superior I am.

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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Saurus on Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:25 pm

Unread postby Saurus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:25 pm

Saurus is on to me, I only started this thread to show how superior I am.


I knew it! Good lord, how I could virtually taste the thick scent of smugness oozing from your perfectly reasonable and seemingly harmless suggestion to have a ‘generic discussion’!

Also, I apologize for spamming your thread and stealing all the forum pies. To make it up, here’s an on-topic statement. My most preferred literature is conventional fantasy novels. I have no favored author (though I’m an avid fan of Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time), but the only author I’ve actively given up on is Raymond E. Feist, as he grew horridly repetitive and his plots got increasingly contrived beyond the scope of my suspension of disbelief.

Do you know that feel when your favorite classic piece of literature isn't thought very highly of by most people you ask?


I can imagine what you mean, but I can’t say I have. This has mostly to do with my lack of a real ‘favorite’. I’m perhaps slightly too quick to acknowledge flaws in any piece off literature if someone should draw attention to them, though I’ll usually argue in favor of personal preference or artistic liberties that are easily overlooked. It makes for very brief discussions. Only once have I truly changed my view of a book after someone more erudite than I pointed out its many flaws.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Karamazov on Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:50 pm

Unread postby Karamazov » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:50 pm

It's sad when someone you like doesn't like your favorite books, but you can always go to your library in a melancholic dressing gown and reread it to yourself over a pipe and the kippers your butler brought you.

I had the same experience with Raymond Feist, after the enjoyable Magician series. If you like epic fantasy series my personal favorite is Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen, for various reasons.
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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Alar on Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:48 am

Unread postby Alar » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:48 am

Karamazov wrote:It's sad when someone you like doesn't like your favorite books, but you can always go to your library in a melancholic dressing gown and reread it to yourself over a pipe and the kippers your butler brought you.

I had the same experience with Raymond Feist, after the enjoyable Magician series. If you like epic fantasy series my personal favorite is Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen, for various reasons.

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Re: Generic Book Discussion

Unread postby Saurus on Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:46 am

Unread postby Saurus » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:46 am

Karamazov wrote:Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen


A Google search has further piqued my interest, and I've seen a few comparisons to A song of Ice end Fire. Most intriguing. I'll be looking in to this. Thanks for the tip!
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